Character Fantasies

[emothy]

So, I was just thinking (because I am NOT WRITING, LJ you fucker) and reading some meta (there's been lots of genderswap meta recently, which is great because next month is genderswap month and it helps me reassure myself that armed with meta I won't write awful fic ;) ), and I was reading a discussion on writing slash vs. writing het (or femmeslash) and whether it changes the way you write at all, or the attitude you bring to the story.


I know from Cyn's point of view, when it's femmeslash she writes a whole lot more porn ;) I think I do too, actually, though I write femmeslash more rarely. (Oh Eve/Gwen, I reread something with you in it last night and I kind of miss you, you know).

Then I read this part;
I know that I definitely wanted to include some aspects of female-embodiment that often get left out in mainstream depictions (e.g. that more than half of all women can't reach orgasm from penetration alone, that rushing into intercourse can be uncomfortable, that reaching orgasm isn't always easy even if you are having smokin' hot sex).

And my mind went off on it's tangent and I was thinking the usual about how I feel sorry for women who seem to have so much trouble having an orgasm (really, I pity you, I do), and other stuff (oh why am I so reluctant to share? Because I don't think you guys wana hear it!) and BASICALLY (this is a basic explanation you say?) I was thinking about fantasies, and how obviously we all discuss them (and WRITE THEM) so often, and yet I haven't really read much fic wherein the characters fantasies are touched upon. I mean deeper than "I want to shag character x so I'm going to imagine that now since we're not doing it". Kinks that maybe they wouldn't even enjoy in action but when fantasizing harmlessly about, become a real turn on.

So, the bottom line is, if I join a fic exchange sometime soon, I won't have the usual trouble of not knowing what to request ;) I want fantasizing! I want characters with some sexual identity that does not revolve around someone else exclusively or who bloody tops and who bottoms.

Switching is best. Equal opportunities are hot.

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[vacivity.livejournal.com]

Up until this past month, with mentions of the genderswap stuff, I haven't touched het in years (with a couple of RP exceptions and those were limited) so I'll talk about it from a femmeslash point of view. :)

Writing slashy porn is awkward for me, and I think it's because I feel more comfortable with femmeslash (or to some extent, het, just because it's easier) and I know that changes a lot of things. I write more porn and it flows better and there's less of an awkward feel it to all. But posting it is different; I feel like it's going to be seen as an extension of my own fantasies (and somewhat Mary-Sue for that) rather than something to be taken on it's own. That's why I'll probably not advertise any of my genderswap to anyone. :x

But touching upon character fantasies would be fun! :D The deeper kinks, the bigger drives, the things they think about when masturbating. And more than the "I want to shag character x" stuff, like you pointed out. But the subversive things and the innocent things and the ideas that make you giggle and the random sexual thoughts that hit upon them throughout the day. Fantasizing would be nice to read.

(On another note. I love to write femmeslash, even if it's not porn, and I love femmeslashy porn without a doubt. Sex is awkward for me to write no matter what, but it's a lot easier to see the porn in my head and to find decent words for it [I think a big part of my reluntance to write porn is the wording :x]. I wish there were more chances for me to write femmeslash so I could explore more of it. And I think I write so much porn for the femmeslash because I write so little of it and want to write more porn. Or something like that. If it makes sense!)

And gee, nice to know you feel sorry for me. :p

[fsop.livejournal.com]

Well we always knew you were awkward :P

I obviously just have a really overactive imagination! :D

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

:p :p :P

But overactive imaginations are fun!

[fsop.livejournal.com]

And in respect to writing femmeslash; I know you love it in general, because its just more familiar terrority really, but I have to admit there are like NO words for girly bits that I like. Vagina is weird, and I suppose compared to everything else, too technical. Pussy makes me cringe now and then, and I have always hated the word c*nt; that's ingrained into me because my parents would swear to high heaven at each other but they REFUSED to use that word because they thought it was disgusting and horrible, and they brought me up to feel that way. I suppose like most things, the best way is to gloss over it and specify what's being done and not labelling WHERE.

I wish there were more femmeslash possibilities in the world. That did not suck. I mean the obvious fandom is The L Word because it's a show all about lesbians, but damn that got sucky after season ONE. And though I watch femslash_today if that's written right, I don't follow any of the fandoms really. I just hope for Sara/Lady Heather now and then ;)


I think I'm completely justified in having trouble writing sex considering not only have I never had m/m sex (as you would expect from a girl ;) ), I haven't had sex at all, so even to write femmeslash I'm limited on what I truly know the feeling of when it's being done to you, as opposed to doing things to yourself. And as for het sex; I have no guy experiences.

Of course it's no-one's fault if their bodies are evil to them, but yeah I do feel sorry. That's just the way it is! I'd hate to be so limited and rely on stimulation or even another person just to get off. My life would be full of sexual frustration if I lived like that! I do actually HAVE a sex drive though I don't mention it ;)

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there aren't any words for girl bits. :/ And it is probably best to gloss over it and not use specific terms, but when it comes to m/m I have a lot harder of a time doing that. :x With femmeslash it's a lot easier for me, maybe because of how I view it all or my writing style with the different sexes or whatnot.

I wish there was something we could write. ajksfsjf Guh. I almost wish we had bastille up and running or something so we could. And I am looking forward to the month where we have to write original femmeslash stuff. :D I so know what I'm going to propose for that, or do myself, or something.

Being in that situation makes it understandable to have problems writing it. Especially for the m/m, because well, nothing to even experiment with. :x I've only had a bad experience with het sex so that's a big turn off, and my experiences with f/f sex are far enough in the past that it's hard to remember. And of course, I have such passive-aggressive feelings toward sex that I am amazed I can even write it. Lucky :p. I don't have one usually!

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

I was rereading my friends page (bored! :x) and thought about this again and I didn't hit upon the character fantasies much last time. So you get this ;)

My Yanagi in ZS asked just about everyone who took this one meme - I think it was some interview meme - what their sexual fantasies were. I was so amused by it, and most of the reactions were shocked/scandalized/etc and I think only a few responded with it. I should find the link for you. :D

But that and this got me to thinking. Most of us never give our characters - RP or in fic - that much thought, to figure out sexual fantasies or kinks. And most of those that do go very typical - for instance, taking Niou and Yagyuu's entire switch and putting it into sex and adding nothing else to it. And the bondage thing is old. :/ Not everyone thinks about bondage; there are other kinks out there.

[fsop.livejournal.com]

Is this where I confess various fantasies of mine that I have no interest in doing in real life but I consider realy hot in my head? ;)

It's such a contrast to think about, and the more I thought about it, the more I couldn't believe how little it's addressed! Especially in fic with established couples, (a lot of Tezuka/Fuji is set in the future with them having been together a long time), though there are references to knowing each other so well after so long and blahblahblah, or references to various sexual exploits in the past, no-one ever discusses fanatsies.

And from what I've heard, men are such sexual creatures. And pretty open to say whatever they want ;)

There is more to sex than just writing it for the sake of porn. Why does no-one go deeper and more interesting? It's like when all the twincest was around and no-one addressed the narcissism. YOU'RE ALL MISSING THE BEST PARTS.

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

Sure ;)

That's part of what I was thinking about earlier too. It's amazing it's not addressed more in fics, especially for partners who have been together for a long time. By that point, you'd have shared sexual fantasies and kinks and probably experimented with them. It's part of a healthy sex life, which I'm sure they all have! ;)

And yes, definitely more to sex than writing it just for porn! Even if you don't get to writing the sex, talking about fantasies themselves can open up a lot of things. Does anyone ever think about what the kinks show about the characters? asjkfsljfsajf

this really kind of makes me want to write a fic about fantasies. :x

[fsop.livejournal.com]

DO EET ;)

I'll try and help!

Or rp that discussion with someone; between two people it'd be even better ;)

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

If I can get you to help it will be better ;)

afslfkfk RPING IT WOULD BE AWESOME! :x I mean, two minds, two different characters, forced to think of it in different ways. Oh yes, very fun. :D I need to find someone willing to RP that with me ;)

[fsop.livejournal.com]

WHICH CHARACTERS THOUGH?

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

Oh man, so many would work! Fuji, with Tezuka or Inui or Yukimura, or Inui asking just about anyone, or Yanagi, or Mizuki, or Yukimura. Sanada and Tezuka would be the types roped into it, not the ones to come out and ask directly, I think.

But really, I'd want to do it between a couple like Tezuka and Fuji or Sanada and Yukimura or maybe between Fuji and Yukimura, meeting for lunch and discussing that ;).

[fsop.livejournal.com]

You're saying these things on purpose to tempt me ;)

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

*coughs* Me? Say something like that to tempt you?

You're speaking nonsense, I say. I'm innocent of all accusations. ;)

[fsop.livejournal.com]

HA excuse me, that was me choking out both a cough and a laugh in DISBELIEF.

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

What, you don't believe me? :p I am so hurt!

*temptstemptstempts*

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

On another note, who can you see that conversation taking place between? ;)

[fsop.livejournal.com]

I think you already know I agree with you :P

[vacivity.livejournal.com]

I know ;)